tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677885556404476308.post346566962246445090..comments2024-03-26T09:19:10.810+00:00Comments on BRAPA (British Real Ale Pub Adventure): BRAPA - Finishing East Yorkshire, Preston, Lancs & End of Year AppraisalSi 'BRAPA' Everitthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17291680772889990384noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677885556404476308.post-1571805250300230312015-12-31T14:35:08.719+00:002015-12-31T14:35:08.719+00:00The issue of pre-emptives that have changed charac...The issue of pre-emptives that have changed character is clearly worthy of a Uni thesis of some sort. Quite a few rubbish pubs I'd been in before they became good (e.g. taken over by Ossett) I felt I had to do again, mainly because I love Ossett.<br /><br />Combermere in Wolves is best tree in a pub - you wine. I don't recall Hipperholme fish - the Steam brewshed and Ossetts are what I remember there.<br /><br />I started my big spreadsheet in 2002 when I'd done about a quarter of GBG 03 pubs, so guess I got serious about then (that's also when I got a job with lots of travel and overnight accommodation which helped !).<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677885556404476308.post-43850378197278287512015-12-31T14:15:21.009+00:002015-12-31T14:15:21.009+00:00I think I can sympathise with that point of view. ...I think I can sympathise with that point of view. It is a bit like me with certain proper locos, D7076 for example, they have received the attention of my red pen but I wish to have them over and over again, yet there is some plastic stuff I am happy to have the shortest distance possible and be done with.<br /><br />When you complete BRAPA, subject to me still being physically able, I will happily push you to the likes of Ivy House in your wheelchair. Assuming they haven't gone out of the guide again by then. I often wonder whether in some of the one year wonders, ie the pubs that get in the guide for only one edition of which I'm sure there will be several, the best to visit is shortly before they get in the guide. I suppose this is where intelligence from local CAMRA websites and magazines comes in for pre-emptives. Tom Irvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15707212109059322727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677885556404476308.post-72179934131311655542015-12-31T13:55:41.737+00:002015-12-31T13:55:41.737+00:00Tom, you might be right re every pub being a poten...Tom, you might be right re every pub being a potential pre-emptive but not in their current state. This is actually where pre-emptive ticking generally falls down because if, for example, the Unicorn in Preston or that pre match Bristol becomes good, I'd still Be keen to revisit as I'd have missed out. A bit like what I've said about Ivy House Sunderland or what even you said, Black Lion Plaistow. I may change my mind when at Martin's pub levels though!! Happy NY equivalent of Newtonmas! Si 'BRAPA' Everitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17291680772889990384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677885556404476308.post-11310003018037545102015-12-31T13:25:59.257+00:002015-12-31T13:25:59.257+00:00I hadn't realised that so many completely new ...I hadn't realised that so many completely new entries get in, I had always assumed that the majority had previously been in at some stage in history. I think it just shows that every pub, no matter how bad, is potentially a pre-emptive.<br /><br />The bogs at Kit Kat Crescent are superb, I think the highlight of the ground, though Si accidentally leaving the ground and being locked out whilst I nearly started a riot with the home supporters over them not getting a stonewall penalty during a reserve match runs it a close second.<br />Best football ground toilets I have come across are behind the goal at Frickley Athletic.<br />Little Plough at Donny is a good one, I was impressed by Combermere in Wolves also.<br /><br />I'm intrigued by the Napier pub. I've never had much desire to go to New Zealand, but that and some of the diesel locos to make it slightly enticing.Tom Irvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15707212109059322727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677885556404476308.post-31098154094715470172015-12-31T07:40:16.875+00:002015-12-31T07:40:16.875+00:00Wow, that's quite a big average drop! And if ...Wow, that's quite a big average drop! And if the new pubs aren't just Spoons and Micros, that does surprise me. Could get quite demoralising. I always have an August wobble, and that after only 2 years losing 73 pubs each time! <br /><br />What year did you start doing your challenge Martin, in terms of deciding you actually wanted to finish ticking the whole GBG? <br /><br />I agree York City toilets are great, my highlight of a Bootham Crescent trip. The Royal Oak pub in York recently discarded it's outdoor loos and all character has gone. Minster Inn still has good ones. <br /><br />Not quite the same as NZ but have you been to the pub in Hipperholme with fish swimming in the bar? <br /><br />Si 'BRAPA' Everitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17291680772889990384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677885556404476308.post-43850409148494665372015-12-31T01:15:45.608+00:002015-12-31T01:15:45.608+00:00The Vetch and Layer Road (RIP), Exeter and York li...The Vetch and Layer Road (RIP), Exeter and York live on as classics.<br /><br />One art deco pub in Napier NZ had live fish in the toilet bowl that looked like they'd be flushed away; not as scary as some of North Manchester's Holts pubs though.<br /><br />467 is net (3,686 at end of GBG 15 to 3,219 at start of GBG 16) - dunno how many oldies re-entered but guess a couple of hundred plus a dozen pre-emptives. That's a lot of new pubs each year, not many of them Spoons and micropubs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677885556404476308.post-65553861446804432932015-12-30T23:25:22.843+00:002015-12-30T23:25:22.843+00:00I'd be interested to see the pub toilet blog, ...I'd be interested to see the pub toilet blog, Martin. I do like a good characterful bog, preferably unaltered in years, be it in a pub, football ground (non league ones can be good) or preserved railway station.<br /><br />Was your loss of 467 net or before gains? Presumably you gained some pubs that had previously gone out of the guide but came back in for 2016 and I suppose some pubs you have been in but have never been in the GBG.Tom Irvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15707212109059322727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677885556404476308.post-90875560087836926972015-12-30T23:19:30.229+00:002015-12-30T23:19:30.229+00:00I'll think I'm being parodied if you keep ...I'll think I'm being parodied if you keep doing the toilet shots. May have to start my own pub toilet blogs (actually, already been done).<br /><br />Lovely pics of the Moorbrook; I agree with Matthew on the qualities of that, but there's other gems.<br /><br />NB I "lost" 467 at the end of August when GBG16 came out, <br />which is about par for the course, meaning I need to do at least 500 in-year to increase by 1 %. The last 15% are going to take decades.<br /><br />Where's your last Bedfordshires ?; I'd buy you a pint unless that mucked your system up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677885556404476308.post-27440340218968467042015-12-30T18:48:10.176+00:002015-12-30T18:48:10.176+00:00Cheers, are Lashers Blackpool folk? I go to a pun...Cheers, are Lashers Blackpool folk? I go to a punk festival there once a year but is quite a lashy place! <br /><br />If so, Hull City fans would like to think Preston folk notice the difference between Amber and Tangerine. Subtle orange diff even after a few Moorbrook pints! <br /><br />I agree pubs are better on non football day, in East London on Sat but both Liverpool and the Mags in town to spoil things, grrr. Si 'BRAPA' Everitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17291680772889990384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677885556404476308.post-37509372628233554122015-12-30T17:59:24.065+00:002015-12-30T17:59:24.065+00:00I was actually at both the Greyfriar and the Moorb...I was actually at both the Greyfriar and the Moorbrook on the same day as you. Though after you in both cases. I tend not to go on match days as it's generally heaving and hard work to get served <br /><br />Saw plenty of Hull fans in Preston's other Wetherspoons on Monday though. I thought "Brave people go to a pub wearing orange on a football day in Preston. 'We're not Lashers, honest mate' etc. "Lizard Seerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07497330695288945161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677885556404476308.post-38776986152280385932015-12-30T14:03:33.589+00:002015-12-30T14:03:33.589+00:00I think you will lose more each year (because you ...I think you will lose more each year (because you have been to more) but also gain more because you will have been to more non guide pubs. I'm not sure what the net result will be. Of course, there will be some luck involved. I shall ask Emily tomorrow as a statto my have more of an idea on this.<br /><br />The engineering works (BR not Underground) are that weekend only, the problem isn't there at present. It should produce a feast of crossover action, which will probably help you in the SiTom League as I will distracted and slowed down in building up a lead.<br /><br />My Stanbury plan could probably actually work as you arranging a nice evening out and then hijacking it for BRAPA purposes. I'm sure you can trick somebody into inviting you to a beer festival.<br /><br />Big Tom is a spiced tomato juice.<br /><br />See you tomorrow for the Green Owl New Years quiz with whatever else is arranged.Tom Irvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15707212109059322727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677885556404476308.post-22685580980177368112015-12-30T13:51:43.381+00:002015-12-30T13:51:43.381+00:00Hi Tom, some good points there.
My logic states I...Hi Tom, some good points there.<br /><br />My logic states I will lose fewer as each year goes by, we will see. <br /><br />1/5 sounds better. I used 2/10 cos I referred to 450 as 1/10. That's all. I like more bitesized chunks.<br /><br />Thanks re Twickers, will the tube problem still be there in mid Jan? I will reassess in areas you have said.<br /><br />Thanks re pint offer, will make sure it is a Sam Smith or Wetherspoons! Stanbury isn't hard, bus from Keighley etc seems ok but good advice.<br /><br />What is Big Tom? <br /><br />Si Si 'BRAPA' Everitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17291680772889990384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6677885556404476308.post-11375320235858173072015-12-29T23:39:50.195+00:002015-12-29T23:39:50.195+00:00You had 539 at the start of the year, so a net gai...You had 539 at the start of the year, so a net gain of 230. You need a net gain of 181 to get to 950. I'm not sure what the September damage will be, logic dictates you will lose more than this year by virtue of having done more pubs, but the majority of pubs that have gone out of the guide over the years are effectively pre-emptives so you have more of those too.<br /><br />Any reason for expressing 900 as 2/10 of pubs visited rather than 1/5? It isn't wrong, just a little unconventional. If you let me know when it is likely to be, I will happily buy you a pint, just so long as you promise that it won't be an overpriced pub in Mayfair or similar.<br /><br />I was going to send an email but this will do. If Stanbury is difficult as a midweek, but you don't want to burn a Saturday on it, then the KWVR Oxenhope beer festival features evening trains, which could help. The downside is that you would have to wait until October. The galas, one of which is in February, sometimes but not always feature Friday evening running.<br /><br />I look forward to discussing Twickenham. I certainly consider it a sensible Fulham move so will be cooperating fully. However, I hate to be the harbinger of doom, but Clapham Jn - Barnes is shut which will mean there are no trains to get from Twickenham to Putney for the ground and also getting from Kings Cross to Twickenham would be harder than usual. Sorry to disappoint. May I suggest anywhere on the western branches of the District and Piccadilly lines or the Kensington area. <br /><br />I look forward to the awards ceremony. I have some Ribena and a year old bottle of Big Tom in the cupboard. One of those will be the accompaniment for such a big occasion.Tom Irvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15707212109059322727noreply@blogger.com